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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the soggy Zone

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episode that's the skeptic sound really

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but it's soggy it is soggy wet windy

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rainy storms and I don't know what else

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is happening in Sydney at the moment

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this is the skeptics on episode number

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398 for the fifth of June 2016 I think

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Noah's Ark just just floated by my

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window it is pouring in Sydney we're

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having one of those record rain events

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here making everything very damp indeed

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you can probably hear the rain out the

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window as I speak so for those of you

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listening in Sydney and the whole east

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coast of Australia at the moment I hope

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you can stay dry coming up on this week

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show more of Perak on the paranormal

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convention which I attended last weekend

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with our reporter Maynard I was very

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pleased to go along and give a talk this

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week may not we'll be interviewing

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Cheryl gotcha who is the president of

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the UFO research our group in Queensland

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a very interesting in a very interesting

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interview I think you'll find he also

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chats to some delegates going along and

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a really interesting character who was

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there by the name of Calvin von crush

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and Calvin all the way from the United

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States brought along with him a

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selection of bizarre paranormal

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memorabilia now Calvin is not a believer

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oh no and he makes that pretty clear in

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the interview but what a collection he

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skulls and odd clippings from historical

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paranormal goings-on anyway find out

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more about Calvin von crush and those

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other people going up in maynard spooky

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action but before we get that I'll give

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a little sort of an editorial about some

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of these things on this week's show

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anyway after that it's Heidi Robertson

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the raw skeptic with a report on the

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shameful and disgraceful behave

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of a group of anti-vaxxers at a public

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talk in Western Australia just about a

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week ago see what happens when a group

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of anti-vaxxers disrupts a public

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meeting and again I'll be talking more

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about that in a moment into my little

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editorial then to round off the show

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it's a bit of fun from skeptics in the

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pub here in Sydney where I ask the big

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question about alien contact here on

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earth a little bit of lightheartedness

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to end up the skeptic zone this week a

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big thank you to all the people here in

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Sydney who came along to hear me talk

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skeptics dinner meeting I together with

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the Lynn Kelly wonderful lady Lynn Kelly

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wonderful skeptic we gave a talk about

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secrets of the psychics and I got a

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really tip my hat to James Randi once

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again so many of the examples I was

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revolved around various things James

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report which are the important things

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occurred to me as I was putting the show

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together this week but what a what a

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that is that it was brought home to me

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the paranormal convention how much

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conspiracy theories play a part in both

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these outlooks we were told for example

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during the spirit contact UFO contact

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panel that i was attending in the

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audience that there's been a 70 here

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cover-up of the truth getting back to

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conspiracy theories again things like

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these things and they sweep up the mess

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sort of a conspiracy theory I wouldn't

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be at all surprised if they think both

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think this but probably many in the UFO

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community would think people like me

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listening to this are also part of the

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conspiracy because why we don't accept

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the evidence they put forward and the

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they don't seem to understand is that in

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the scientific world of course reports

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of the lowest forms of an effort and

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evidence these people the anti-vaxxers

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certainly feed off each other so to

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speak reinforce their own beliefs

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continually it will let every group in

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society that does that to a degree I'm

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solid evidence to back them up of course

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although remember to them they do have

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solid evidence it happened to me to them

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something like that now one of the

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points I will make is that for many

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years skeptics have been saying that

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that we should have seen a huge increase

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of UFOs belaying alien spaceships or

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whatever or at least a huge increase in

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photographs and of course this hasn't

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happened in fact there's a good chance

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that you're listening to me now on a

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device which also incorporates a quality

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camera and a high-definition video

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camera right on your phone or if not you

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probably have access to one quite easily

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argument against that I think you'll

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hear coming up is that these cameras

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something like that well I tried that

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completely outdated obsolete model so no

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doubt many of you with your newer

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week's show we've got the the UFO

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believers and the anti-vaccine spiracy

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people and wow what a report coming up

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rotten thread that binds a lot of these

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coming up with the president of the UFO

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bunga bunga and all sorts of other

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if the cuts are still there or there

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swam away maybe grab myself some oh I've

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got them he actually folks I've got to

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be a peanut mochi balls mmm if you ever

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a teen spirit panel at Paracon yeah and

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near-death experience although do we

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label I can put on which I think here

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they're this phenomenon is from a

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certain place there must be difficult

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aliens and something rules for another

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interactions with something they might

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call extraterrestrial but we actually

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consider that they are life forms that

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are non-human that come from another

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place but guess what that covers things

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like angels are a friend and masters all

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those lots of things so it does get very

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difficult to discern what's what and of

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course the skeptics all go show us the

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evidence and Damien in there made the

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interesting comment that until you've

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impossible it's very difficult hmm i

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so many witnesses who have said I've

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the idea of you if I was existing until

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just changed their whole outlook and I

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experience it yourself it's really hard

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do mostly and tell me so could we

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compare your organization to move on in

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the US or not well it's not as big as

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MUFON unfortunately in Australia we

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don't have many UFO researchers that are

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active or still alive but yes it's

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certainly along those lines that I'd

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like to ask you things seems have gone

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off the boil a little bit with UFOs and

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turned more to ghost hunters now has

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that been the TV documentaries that have

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done this what do you think might have

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changed the public's perception a bit

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there no I don't think so i think that

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that don't mean if you go to cable TV

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for example in Australia there are

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plenty of UFO documentaries on there

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things are being integrated you know

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it's like years ago a mediumship was

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very popular when you had the television

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show like medium you had Yellin ghost

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whisperer I mean those all these

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programs prod people's interests it but

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those programs come out of the minds of

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people who some of them have had

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experiences like Steven Spielberg for

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example he's had his own UFO experiences

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and what do you think would be the best

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evidence that you could provide for the

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skeptics to shut them what would you

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what would you think okay here's the

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evidence you always wonder what what

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would be your ideal nanny nanny an ear

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piece of evidence I think for me it

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would be whistleblower testimony of a

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military level astronauts talking about

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it you know coming forward I I don't

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think who else can you get you know I

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guess people or people also always say

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I'll give me a piece of a spaceship yeah

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and it's not going to happen and if

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because even it would be hard to prove

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it was wouldn't it sometimes well I

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think you

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yes and no it depends on the lab that

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you can take it to and the

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qualifications of the people that are

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looking at it you're not going to get

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that though because I think that as soon

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as say a spaceship say crushers the

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military they've already tracking it

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before anyone gets there they're going

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to be the first on the scene that came

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it all up you know but um yeah why not

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going to thank you as someone who has

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studies anomalies in Queensland what's

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the most flush frustrating thing on a

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weekly basis you go half anyway at this

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or if only we could have that happen

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yeah oh gee that's a good question isn't

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it because there must be so many cases

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that are kind of becoming compelling and

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then you get some point guitar we know

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what I would actually like a big fat key

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to stick in people's minds and open them

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up that's what I'd like so you can find

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out what really happened there in three

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dimensions and go wow that's what they

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saw no no not like that i mean i mean in

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the public's mind because it's not a bad

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belief it's about acceptance or denial

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of evidence that's what it's about so

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i've used i entered to you if I feel

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thinking that if I could gather enough

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evidence and lay it at the feet of the

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skeptics for example and then they would

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automatically go all varities there's

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the evidence but you know what we all

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have a mindset whether it's skeptical or

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non skeptical it's all about where our

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minds will go where our minds will let

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us go right so um it's about um I can

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have all the evidence I like but unless

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you accept it I can't change anyone's

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mind so you're saying that sometimes the

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skeptics move the goalposts themselves

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sometimes they were just suggesting oh

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look i think we all move around

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goalposts you i'm not going to pick on

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the skeptics we all have our own

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perceptual frameworks that we view the

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world through so yeah and what's it like

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to come to a conference like this do you

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go to many like these in Australia yes

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when they're on yes and we don't have

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many of them do it we don't have enough

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we don't have it I do like to see

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perricone Australia because we're

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crossing the fields with UFO phenomenon

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and the pattern the paranormal the

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ghosts whispering if you like all that

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sort of stuff um but I'd like to see

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more what's a big one in Queensland you

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have is a 10 statewide one you have

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there one to you and not at the moment

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we used to have them we used to have

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national UFO conference

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but it just focus on the UFO subject I

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like to see a conference that would

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emerge that covers everything you know

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everything anomalous we do have a summit

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coming up on the Gold Coast in August

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call the paradigm shift summit there is

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a close encounter / afterlife conference

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coming up in byron bay in January next

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year and it's nice to see two new

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conferences coming up that are crossing

387
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parameters of subjects but I'd like to

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see something else where can we interact

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with you online and see your website and

390
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find out what's going on in the skies of

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Queensland okay you can go to a UFO

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research Queensland so it's UFO rqj snd

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you you can go to our facebook page UFO

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research Queensland and I also run a

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page with a colleague called strange

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encounters down under it's a Facebook

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page you can go there too well and you

398
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put up lots of the photos that are

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recent um we don't put up a lot of

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photos because a lot of photos these

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days that are taken and not quality

402
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photos because you you lose the quality

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on the camera phones and that's what

404
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everybody's got these days that's the

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thing as if it goes on there must be

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photos all the time all year people are

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taken them at camera phones but

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particularly for a bright light at night

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on a dark background oh yeah and the

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other thing is people don't know how to

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take photos of anomalous they don't know

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that you've got to get something else in

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the frame but don't know that if you've

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gotta like you've got to put something

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still like a tree or a clothesline or a

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roof corner it's got to be there in

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comparison and often anomalies don't

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behave in a way where they can be near

419
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something for scale exactly they just

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they happen when they happen you know

421
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what can you do look thank you very much

422
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for your time you're very welcome look

423
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one of the great things about pero con

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2016 is you get people talking about

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things they wouldn't normally talk about

426
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because they go I know but here

427
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everything's on show but who we got here

428
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this time hi my name is Emma I'm Aaron

429
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and what are your anomalous area

430
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interests are just like a good ghost

431
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yeah a good ghost story and a good guy

432
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siding anything ghosty really yeah more

433
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jewel thing same time into the guys but

434
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and I think it's a bit of fun I don't

435
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take it too seriously yeah either of you

436
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had your own experiences or just like

437
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hearing about other ones

438
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me no matter what it is no matter how

439
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believable or unbelievable is I find the

440
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whole thing of its spooky get the whole

441
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after death thing I find that a bit

442
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frightening yeah yeah it definitely is

443
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it's it's the whole unknown and there's

444
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not a lot that some known anymore maybe

445
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there is and we just you know but I do

446
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like a good ghost story but I have had a

447
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couple of experiences that I'm still

448
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making sense of that I think are quite

449
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interesting and as long as you have fun

450
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with it then I guess party your interest

451
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is at some outside everyday life it is

452
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pretty intriguing it is and that's a

453
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that's why I find it fascinating and I

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don't necessarily you know live my whole

455
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life by it but i really like a good

456
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ghost hunt every now and then and what's

457
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been your favorite thing you've

458
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encountered over this weekend here at

459
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Paragon oh I've liked I liked the show

460
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inhale the haunted objects and what was

461
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your favorite hundred object what do

462
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they have like like like I don't know a

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dog that has silent bark or something

464
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like that what they have heads and your

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favorite a spirit trumpet a spirit

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trumpet well what it was the ghost of

467
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blood Miller what was going on there

468
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it's what the odd Spiritist used to use

469
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to you know obviously put on a

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performance with the ectoplasm and the

471
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spirit trumpet the voice would come

472
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through the spirit trouble and do they

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have ectoplasm flying out the trumpet

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bill well yeah I think that's apparently

475
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part of the phenomena yeah that would

476
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have been a thing to say wouldn't it

477
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that's it yeah those those Victorian

478
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séances with the little tricky things I

479
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used to have but what do you think now

480
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you think how can they possibly have

481
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gotten away with that why I want people

482
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to wake up too because it looks like if

483
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you look carefully you might have seen

484
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what they were doing Oh totally I think

485
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they were just very good at the whole

486
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show of you know putting on the

487
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spectacle and people sort of obviously

488
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needing to have that in their lives and

489
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I think that's what draws us here too

490
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even though you know there's always been

491
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an interest people have always tried to

492
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make sense of things and sometimes in a

493
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very superstitious way perhaps and that

494
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just seems to be part of our human make

495
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up in some ways we can't explain

496
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something we looked to a superstitious

497
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bit maybe well look thank you for your

498
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time and that you'd say reckon you might

499
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be back next year and does it doesn't

500
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look here we're looking right at the

501
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Carrington and that it looks grand and

502
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it just looks a bit that's a place with

503
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secrets isn't it oh absolutely how I'd

504
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thanks for your time no raise right now

505
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as you know I'm a terrible trombone

506
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:43,809
player but I've found something here

507
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that might be right up my alley

508
00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:48,220
literally it's not Glenn Miller's

509
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trumpet as I suspected earlier but you

510
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hear someone who's going till it's all

511
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about who we got here and what is that

512
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hey how are you are my name is Calvin

513
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van crush I am in a cult collector from

514
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the Americas but I'm also a devout

515
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skeptic an atheist and I don't believe

516
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in any of this crap but i do love

517
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surrounding myself by the history and

518
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the object that you can't see in front

519
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of us is a genuine spirit trumpet and it

520
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up for Richard Saunders to take a photo

521
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so this is a genuine spirit trumpet that

522
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was produced in the 1920s out of Indiana

523
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by a man named Everett at would echo EA

524
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Eckel and this little device right here

525
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is something he marketed called a

526
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luminous ring and for you viewers who

527
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can't see it it's just a simple metallic

528
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band that wraps around it and it's got

529
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like a dirty looking paint on it but at

530
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one point in time that paint was

531
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radioactive and it glowed in the dark

532
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yes I was a better site back in that

533
00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:42,999
died only way you could do that would be

534
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to radioactive so wouldn't have been a

535
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good idea right luckily it's no longer

536
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radioactive it came right through

537
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customs nobody stopped me they didn't

538
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think I had a dirty bomb um but now I

539
00:21:55,889 --> 00:21:53,950
think one of the biggest misconceptions

540
00:21:57,779 --> 00:21:55,899
that people have about spirit trumpets

541
00:21:59,940 --> 00:21:57,789
is that they compressed so you can sneak

542
00:22:02,009 --> 00:21:59,950
them into a seance and that's wrong I

543
00:22:03,629 --> 00:22:02,019
mean even snuck into a room it would

544
00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:03,639
still generate a lot of noise because

545
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,769
it's made of 10 what would they pull a

546
00:22:09,210 --> 00:22:07,600
the ectoplasm strings out of it they

547
00:22:10,139 --> 00:22:09,220
what would I do exactly it and explain

548
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:10,149
to people what that is because I was

549
00:22:13,470 --> 00:22:11,919
talking to some people that saw your

550
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:13,480
talk and they were talking all about

551
00:22:17,609 --> 00:22:15,369
this so this would have been used during

552
00:22:19,769 --> 00:22:17,619
the Victorian period well this one is

553
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:19,779
specifically from the 1920s so it's post

554
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,090
Victorian era um but spiritualism was

555
00:22:27,060 --> 00:22:23,919
still very very popular in that day in

556
00:22:29,310 --> 00:22:27,070
trumpet mediumship is a form of physical

557
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:29,320
mediumship it wasn't just something that

558
00:22:32,399 --> 00:22:30,970
was open to interpretation it was

559
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:32,409
something that was meant to be seen

560
00:22:36,629 --> 00:22:34,210
hence the glow-in-the-dark ring in

561
00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:36,639
complete darkness a fraudulent medium

562
00:22:39,869 --> 00:22:38,440
would be able to lift this up and move

563
00:22:41,310 --> 00:22:39,879
it about the room and as long as she

564
00:22:43,289 --> 00:22:41,320
didn't place her hand in front of the

565
00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:43,299
glowing ring it would look like it was

566
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:45,940
unguided in the air so you'll see a lot

567
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:46,930
of the fake photos

568
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:48,130
that they say we're done with infrared

569
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:49,810
cameras or they don't want motion

570
00:22:54,030 --> 00:22:52,050
detectors that there is a weird

571
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:54,040
substance coming out of their body

572
00:22:59,160 --> 00:22:56,290
orifices and we're talking every orifice

573
00:23:00,840 --> 00:22:59,170
possible noses mouths ears belly buttons

574
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:00,850
um so yeah that was supposed to be

575
00:23:05,310 --> 00:23:03,760
evidence for them to see it now there

576
00:23:07,710 --> 00:23:05,320
were so many reasons why they said you

577
00:23:10,050 --> 00:23:07,720
couldn't test the ectoplasm one of them

578
00:23:11,610 --> 00:23:10,060
was because it was connected to the

579
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,620
medium and if you touched it she would

580
00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:13,600
die so that was their failsafe to

581
00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:15,460
prevent people from testing it another

582
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,380
was that if it was exposed to light it

583
00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:19,840
would it would dissipate immediately but

584
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:21,100
sometimes you were able to get a

585
00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:23,110
sampling of it and when tested it was

586
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,180
found to be chewed paper cheesecloth

587
00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:27,760
cotton like I said that one hand was

588
00:23:33,540 --> 00:23:30,520
actually meet of course as anyone

589
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:33,550
recently at flora as a performance

590
00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:36,010
recreated those Victorian an early 20th

591
00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:37,990
century seances any magicians done that

592
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:39,460
just for entertainment yeah yeah

593
00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:42,370
actually spook shows in the 1950s were

594
00:23:48,210 --> 00:23:45,160
very very popular and it was magicians

595
00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:48,220
replicating spiritualist seances a very

596
00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:50,230
very recent one was a gentleman named

597
00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:53,950
Todd Robbins I believe he was helped by

598
00:23:58,980 --> 00:23:57,070
pinner teller oh it was uh it was teller

599
00:24:01,920 --> 00:23:58,990
teller and him wrote an off-broadway

600
00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:01,930
play called play dead oh I've seen that

601
00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:03,640
it's a great movie it's a great movie

602
00:24:08,190 --> 00:24:05,980
please go see play dead because most it

603
00:24:09,780 --> 00:24:08,200
was shot in the dark yeah um so yeah

604
00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:09,790
yeah they did and now I've seen the live

605
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,620
performance and in the live performance

606
00:24:16,170 --> 00:24:13,360
they actually have a spirit trumpet that

607
00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:16,180
floats down um and it looks like it's

608
00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:17,680
floating magically you can't see the

609
00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:19,720
wires or anything and as it points to

610
00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:21,550
you the sound magnifies and you can hear

611
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:23,260
the voices and everything like that play

612
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:25,570
dead was absolutely fantastic I think

613
00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:26,650
that's the closest thing we're ever

614
00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:28,150
going to get to see a classic spook show

615
00:24:31,650 --> 00:24:29,590
in this modern era and the great thing

616
00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:31,660
is to they go to great lengths to tell

617
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:33,070
you that they're not channeling anything

618
00:24:37,170 --> 00:24:35,170
it's done with a combination of cold and

619
00:24:38,550 --> 00:24:37,180
hot reading isn't it absolutely and of

620
00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:38,560
course when he's doing it in complete

621
00:24:42,030 --> 00:24:40,600
darkness he's got people in the audience

622
00:24:44,850 --> 00:24:42,040
that are wearing night-vision glasses

623
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:44,860
helping produce this stuff um I think

624
00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:47,290
that's that's an amazing thing for

625
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:49,180
people to witness because it shows how

626
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:51,730
powerful that strength of belief is for

627
00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:53,650
people to believe in this phenomenon and

628
00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:56,590
as an atheist and escape dick when you

629
00:25:00,000 --> 00:24:57,940
come to a conference like this is it

630
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:00,010
some things that concern you sometimes

631
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:02,290
so what people are getting into you know

632
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:04,510
um you're right there are things that

633
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:07,810
concern me um I I do believe there is a

634
00:25:12,570 --> 00:25:10,210
certain amount to the paranormal that is

635
00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:12,580
just entertainment and that is fun and

636
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,950
games I have no problem with somebody

637
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:16,720
shelling out five bucks for a palm

638
00:25:20,790 --> 00:25:18,130
reading or something like that anybody

639
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:20,800
can live without five bucks my big

640
00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:22,390
problem is when you have mediums

641
00:25:26,190 --> 00:25:24,070
charging people hundreds and hundreds of

642
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:26,200
dollars you know to communicate with a

643
00:25:31,290 --> 00:25:27,970
dead loved one I really believe that's

644
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:31,300
victimization so I'm in a funny spot

645
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:34,570
with skeptics and the paranormal I have

646
00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:37,150
skeptics who think I'm foolish for going

647
00:25:39,870 --> 00:25:38,470
to the paranormal conventions and

648
00:25:42,270 --> 00:25:39,880
hanging out with you stay but as I like

649
00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:42,280
to refer truck by both sides yeah yeah

650
00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:46,120
and then again um I I love visiting old

651
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,830
places in doing the paranormal

652
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:49,360
investigations and stuff but I reached

653
00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:51,370
out to local teams in my area and they

654
00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:53,140
want nothing to do with me because I

655
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:55,270
collect these occult relics and as much

656
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,250
as I tell them I collect these items to

657
00:26:01,080 --> 00:25:59,200
show that there's no strength in it my

658
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:01,090
house is not haunted I sleep like a baby

659
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:02,410
but still they don't want to be

660
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:03,850
associated with Ouija boards and stuff

661
00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:05,650
like that so these necessarily religious

662
00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:07,540
people is that the wangler I come from

663
00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:09,880
wearing about it you know it I wouldn't

664
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,100
say that belief in the paranormal is a

665
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:14,320
religion in itself it's not spiritualism

666
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,290
but it is very much a part of people's

667
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:20,320
individual faith and identity so they

668
00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:22,300
don't like being challenged people want

669
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,830
to believe that there's so much more

670
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,320
that happens when we die um and believe

671
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:27,760
me I would love a love for that to

672
00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:30,490
happen to my outlook is very grim when I

673
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:33,220
die I just rot in the ground I would

674
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:34,570
love to be able to visit all my dead

675
00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:36,250
relatives you know this is something i

676
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:38,470
like talking to it people to is that if

677
00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:41,020
you could reliably communicate with dead

678
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:43,150
people that would so fundamentally

679
00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:45,130
change our society that our society

680
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,920
would become unrecognizable um you're

681
00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:49,360
right i I think it we would actually

682
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:52,420
develop a utopian society because if we

683
00:26:56,790 --> 00:26:54,910
could prove that we are all one being

684
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,800
that has an afterlife and stuff like

685
00:27:00,270 --> 00:26:58,480
that and it doesn't matter what the name

686
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:00,280
of your God is we all have an existence

687
00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:02,470
that is greater beyond us it would make

688
00:27:06,150 --> 00:27:04,660
things amazing and I think that's the

689
00:27:08,910 --> 00:27:06,160
struggle with the paranormal community

690
00:27:10,590 --> 00:27:08,920
as they hoard their evidence and they

691
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:10,600
don't share it with the world think

692
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:13,260
about how idiotic it would be if

693
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:15,450
his developed a cure for cancer and they

694
00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:16,890
said you know we've got this cure but

695
00:27:19,550 --> 00:27:18,180
we're not going to release it because

696
00:27:21,530 --> 00:27:19,560
we're not sure about it yet we're really

697
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:21,540
gonna wait until we get that that TV

698
00:27:25,820 --> 00:27:23,490
contract that would be preposterous

699
00:27:27,620 --> 00:27:25,830
that's why the paranormal is never going

700
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:27,630
to be accepted as a full science and

701
00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:28,980
it's always going to be pseudoscience

702
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:30,630
because they don't apply the same

703
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:33,090
scientific methods as much as they say

704
00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:34,500
they do it's just not going to be

705
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:36,630
feasible and you've said that the

706
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:38,220
skeptics get on g for coming to

707
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:39,510
something like this new clothes the the

708
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:41,700
people who are into the paranormal going

709
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:43,770
all you you'll hear the bunkers and make

710
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:45,930
fun of this right you know in australia

711
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:47,610
i must say that that atmosphere is not

712
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,290
the same everybody here has been very

713
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:51,120
very welcoming and even when i tell them

714
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:52,440
that i don't believe in any of it they

715
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:53,910
still responding but we will have a

716
00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:55,650
laugh here yeah yeah yeah everybody is a

717
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:57,150
lot cooler but in America you'd be

718
00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:59,580
surprised like a I have people when I do

719
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:01,140
like Ouija board experiments and I try

720
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,400
to show them that it's the power of the

721
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:04,080
human mind and it's not spirit

722
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:06,360
communication they're still so attached

723
00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:08,310
that identity of the Ouija board being a

724
00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:09,870
negative thing that they won't even

725
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:11,670
touch it here when people are scared

726
00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:13,260
they still give it a go anyways which is

727
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:14,460
great are you remember of any openings

728
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,860
in the US I am NOT a member of any

729
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:19,080
skeptic groups but I am a member of a

730
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:21,270
very very great historical society the

731
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,010
TV HS we are the talking board

732
00:28:27,770 --> 00:28:25,380
Historical Society we are the first and

733
00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:27,780
only organization of its time of its

734
00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:29,670
kind dedicated to the research

735
00:28:34,330 --> 00:28:31,950
preservation and documentation of all

736
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:34,340
things Ouija board please visit us at

737
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:37,710
wwt BHS org and you got a personal

738
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:38,970
website we can pop in and see what

739
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:40,710
Calvin's up to yeah if you google me

740
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:42,570
Calvin van crush on all the social media

741
00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:44,790
networks at Calvin bank rush you can see

742
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:46,350
me on Instagram that's probably my

743
00:28:49,820 --> 00:28:48,450
favorite raw resource because i post a

744
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:49,830
brand new object from my collection

745
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,100
every day nothing has haunted my place

746
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,440
yet but the search continues and as soon

747
00:28:59,150 --> 00:28:56,880
as it does i will let skeptics and

748
00:29:00,560 --> 00:28:59,160
paranormal fans alike no look at calvin

749
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:00,570
i just one know is you've got a huge

750
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:02,340
collection what is the one thing you're

751
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:04,170
looking for the am bunnell to find that

752
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:05,640
you really want for that collection I

753
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:08,400
would really really love an early spirit

754
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:10,740
precipitation from either the the bangs

755
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:12,450
sisters of the falconer brothers I would

756
00:29:16,670 --> 00:29:14,490
love something like that know what it is

757
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:16,680
it tell us so a spirit precipitation is

758
00:29:20,030 --> 00:29:18,360
a form of spirit communication where

759
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:20,040
they would lay paints out on a table and

760
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:21,960
without the aid of a brush they would

761
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:24,930
appear on canvas now believers say that

762
00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:26,600
the lack of brush strokes is

763
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:27,950
evidence that you need that it was a

764
00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:30,710
ghostly hands but now I myself am an

765
00:29:33,789 --> 00:29:32,150
artist I'm a full-time tattoo artist

766
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,799
I've been to art school I've seen some

767
00:29:37,419 --> 00:29:35,360
of these in person there's a very good

768
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:37,429
reason why it's not a brushstroke it's

769
00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:39,289
because these aren't paying its past

770
00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:42,470
they'll pastels durata is applied

771
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,630
directly to the material it's not put on

772
00:29:48,130 --> 00:29:45,919
with a brush so it goes on nice and

773
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:48,140
smooth you can actually see how the

774
00:29:53,049 --> 00:29:50,510
variation of with when they're coming up

775
00:29:55,270 --> 00:29:53,059
off the paper is passed out now did some

776
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,280
of these in the earlier times in the

777
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:57,440
20's and in the Victorian time was this

778
00:30:01,299 --> 00:29:59,450
a bit of an excuse to hold hands with

779
00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:01,309
the ladies these sort of things in the

780
00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:02,630
parlor that was a bit of an excuse so

781
00:30:05,529 --> 00:30:03,740
instead of going to the movies or

782
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:05,539
something you'd go and hold hands and

783
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,090
touch which normally couldn't be done in

784
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:09,679
public between two people that were not

785
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:12,289
married as much as again now you are

786
00:30:15,310 --> 00:30:13,730
very good at this by the way man you

787
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,320
have guided us through this perfectly

788
00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:17,360
because the Ouija board is it is in

789
00:30:21,789 --> 00:30:19,640
itself the original dating game on the

790
00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:21,799
instructions of the Ouija board it says

791
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:24,169
that for best results placed between the

792
00:30:30,010 --> 00:30:26,809
laps of a man and a woman on and

793
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:30,020
everybody knows the Sunday evening post

794
00:30:34,090 --> 00:30:31,490
what's the gentleman who did all the

795
00:30:35,649 --> 00:30:34,100
America yes Norman Rockwell are the most

796
00:30:37,149 --> 00:30:35,659
famous image of the Ouija board is

797
00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:37,159
probably Norman Rockwell's painting

798
00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:38,900
where you see a woman desperately trying

799
00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:40,760
to communicate with the spirits but the

800
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,350
gentleman is clearly there for other

801
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,000
reasons he's looking down the ladies

802
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,159
blouse arm so yes it was a great

803
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:47,840
experiment for people to get together

804
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:49,850
and sit a little closer to someone that

805
00:30:54,580 --> 00:30:51,950
might not have been allowed on an

806
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:54,590
otherwise situations and as an outside

807
00:30:58,090 --> 00:30:56,570
has come into our paranormal skeptical

808
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,100
Australian saying he you think we've got

809
00:31:02,080 --> 00:30:59,840
a bit more of a healthy mix here Oh a

810
00:31:04,390 --> 00:31:02,090
hundred and ten percent in the United

811
00:31:05,770 --> 00:31:04,400
States everything is so divided you have

812
00:31:08,110 --> 00:31:05,780
the UF ologist have their own

813
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:08,120
conventions you have the cryptozoologist

814
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:10,070
have their own conventions you've got

815
00:31:13,930 --> 00:31:11,809
the ghost hunters have their own here

816
00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:13,940
everybody is in one roof and of course

817
00:31:17,770 --> 00:31:16,280
we have skeptics here too nobody likes

818
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:17,780
the skeptic showing up in America

819
00:31:20,590 --> 00:31:19,010
because we're the party poopers you know

820
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:20,600
we're there to spoil everybody's fun and

821
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:22,850
I think it's amazing how open-minded

822
00:31:27,490 --> 00:31:25,010
they are abroad in australia vs how

823
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,500
close lip they are and the states thanks

824
00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:29,120
kalmo check you out online man oh thank

825
00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:30,260
you so much for having me guys it was an

826
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:31,400
honor and a privilege very nice meeting

827
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:46,510
greetings listeners it's me captain

828
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:48,890
disillusion on my youtube channel called

829
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:51,530
captain disillusion aye captain

830
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:53,750
disillusion analyzed viral videos of the

831
00:31:58,299 --> 00:31:56,030
strange and unbelievable I explain how

832
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,309
interframe video compression 3d motion

833
00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:00,320
tracking and stock the effects elements

834
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:02,870
prove that Justin Bieber is not a secret

835
00:32:06,909 --> 00:32:05,090
reptilian alien that those videos of

836
00:32:08,919 --> 00:32:06,919
ghost cars are just unintentional

837
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:08,929
optical illusions and that lightning did

838
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:10,610
not strike a few feet away from a girl

839
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,440
on a beach as we saw on the news I'm

840
00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:15,200
real fun at parties my best friend is a

841
00:32:20,289 --> 00:32:18,500
lens flare dimmer switch disillusion I

842
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:20,299
do know other people sometimes they even

843
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:22,190
show up in my videos people like

844
00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:24,890
skepticism is grandpa james randi sirve

845
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,230
de Soleil Acrobat Erica Lynn's weight

846
00:32:31,690 --> 00:32:29,360
loss enthusiast Penn Jillette and the

847
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,700
actual Beekman from Beakman's world I

848
00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:33,440
hope you'll check out my adventures

849
00:32:38,049 --> 00:32:35,720
interact with me in a platonic way and

850
00:32:40,539 --> 00:32:38,059
even consider becoming a patron of my

851
00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:40,549
work you can do all that and more on

852
00:33:03,789 --> 00:32:56,380
it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

853
00:33:12,730 --> 00:33:08,659
hello everyone on the night of the 30th

854
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:12,740
of may 2016 in perth western australia

855
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:16,620
the telethon kids institute held an open

856
00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:19,500
and free public seminar on the latest

857
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:23,400
information about vaccinations included

858
00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:25,320
on the panel were some of australia's

859
00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:29,150
leading infectious disease pediatricians

860
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:31,830
unfortunately the anti-vaccination crowd

861
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,230
got wind of it and decided it would be a

862
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:36,600
good idea to turn up and more or less

863
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:40,289
hijack the event the event was Paris

864
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:42,510
coped live by an anti-vaccination

865
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:45,090
advocate and has since been put on

866
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:47,880
YouTube we will put the link to it in

867
00:33:53,510 --> 00:33:51,240
the show notes the periscope recording

868
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:53,520
began with renowned anti-vaccination

869
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,940
activist Judy Wiley Minh who you may

870
00:34:14,000 --> 00:33:59,220
remember from previous skeptic zone

871
00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:14,010
reports judy has just been awarded a PhD

872
00:34:19,220 --> 00:34:16,830
by Wollongong University which was

873
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:19,230
widely criticized by the scientific and

874
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:22,440
medical community as the content of her

875
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,560
thesis contained claims including a

876
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,919
conspiracy between the World Health

877
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:30,240
Organization and the pharmaceutical

878
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:33,270
industry to promote vaccinations in the

879
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:35,460
absence of evidence of safety and

880
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:39,119
efficacy dr. rachy suggested that when I

881
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:41,399
listen to this recording this periscope

882
00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:45,200
recording which goes for 36 long minutes

883
00:34:52,339 --> 00:34:48,080
that I note down how many common

884
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:52,349
anti-vaxxers were mentioned again you

885
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,159
may otherwise know as anti vex bingo so

886
00:35:02,839 --> 00:34:59,520
I did and I found myself calling out

887
00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:02,849
bingo after every common trope that was

888
00:35:08,359 --> 00:35:06,270
mentioned y limon stated in the

889
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:08,369
periscope recording that she was

890
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,170
concerned about the number of vaccines

891
00:35:15,289 --> 00:35:12,359
added to the schedule

892
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:15,299
uh not mentioning that children are now

893
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,249
covered for more infectious diseases

894
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,160
with less antigens than ever before in

895
00:35:26,779 --> 00:35:22,920
the schedule she said that there was no

896
00:35:29,539 --> 00:35:26,789
evidence for herd immunity bingo yes

897
00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:29,549
there is that mortality rates had

898
00:35:35,029 --> 00:35:31,640
decreased prior to widespread

899
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:35,039
vaccination bingo not mentioning

900
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:38,940
morbidity rates associate professor dr.

901
00:35:44,509 --> 00:35:41,339
Peter Richmond very patiently addressed

902
00:35:46,579 --> 00:35:44,519
each of these issues or tried to amid

903
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,589
what can only be described as a pauling

904
00:35:51,769 --> 00:35:49,920
behavior by the anti-vaccine essent of

905
00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:51,779
the Senate hearing I attended in

906
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,150
Brisbane where aunty vax at work 'it's

907
00:35:59,539 --> 00:35:56,880
sneered yelled out and called the

908
00:36:01,220 --> 00:35:59,549
Senators shills for Rupert Murdoch the

909
00:36:02,989 --> 00:36:01,230
fellow recording the event was

910
00:36:06,859 --> 00:36:02,999
responsible for much of this

911
00:36:09,019 --> 00:36:06,869
rabble-rousing his first outburst was to

912
00:36:11,299 --> 00:36:09,029
yell out about the manufactured

913
00:36:15,019 --> 00:36:11,309
controversy of the suppression of

914
00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:15,029
evidence by the bingo cdc linking the

915
00:36:21,529 --> 00:36:18,900
MMR autism again the experts attempted

916
00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:21,539
to answer the outburst with facts to

917
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:24,200
which the rabble rouser yelled out lie

918
00:36:30,499 --> 00:36:27,450
we want the truth with other members of

919
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:30,509
the anti-vaccine out it's your social

920
00:36:35,019 --> 00:36:32,910
responsibility to tell the truth you're

921
00:36:37,549 --> 00:36:35,029
wasting your breath answer the question

922
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:37,559
where are the studies of safety and

923
00:36:45,319 --> 00:36:42,480
efficacy bingo and that one very

924
00:36:50,269 --> 00:36:45,329
important there are probably some

925
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:50,279
environment that's right and we actively

926
00:36:59,069 --> 00:36:55,859
you're washing your bread answer my

927
00:37:01,620 --> 00:36:59,079
question and say our question is Posey

928
00:37:03,799 --> 00:37:01,630
no just hold on a second time there are

929
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:03,809
people here who would like to hear us

930
00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:10,960
requested please I will give you the

931
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:13,420
opportunity the plea from the panel for

932
00:37:20,279 --> 00:37:17,650
respect from the crowd was ignored can I

933
00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:20,289
just mention at this point that in the

934
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:22,420
audience were people there who had

935
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,650
genuine questions and also present were

936
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:28,240
Catherine Greg Hughes parents of baby

937
00:37:33,029 --> 00:37:30,430
Riley who passed away from pertussis

938
00:37:35,069 --> 00:37:33,039
last year what they must have felt

939
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:35,079
sitting through this embarrassing

940
00:37:40,019 --> 00:37:37,470
display of histrionics I hate to think

941
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:40,029
what they have personally endured from

942
00:37:46,319 --> 00:37:42,609
the anti-vaccine nothing short of

943
00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:46,329
gobsmacking next up was a midwife asking

944
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,240
why the hepatitis B vaccine was given

945
00:37:55,019 --> 00:37:51,520
within the first few hours of birth and

946
00:37:58,289 --> 00:37:55,029
where the evidence for it was it was

947
00:38:00,539 --> 00:37:58,299
again explained in detail the reasons to

948
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:00,549
jeers and more shouting down from the

949
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:19,420
crowd yeah yeah yes next up was another

950
00:38:26,970 --> 00:38:23,410
audience member who bingo brought up the

951
00:38:30,059 --> 00:38:26,980
logical fallacy argumentum ad package

952
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,069
insert to which rebel rouser and co

953
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,520
cheered and clapped and yield out bring

954
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:36,000
vax to australia you're all lying

955
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:38,890
ridiculous look at you all it's one of

956
00:38:44,549 --> 00:38:41,410
the best things that you can do in

957
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:44,559
pregnancy for yourself first thing you

958
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:46,210
guys can all do is just tell the truth

959
00:38:51,059 --> 00:38:48,130
bring bags to Australia and New Zealand

960
00:38:57,539 --> 00:38:51,069
tell the truth you guys are all lying or

961
00:38:59,880 --> 00:38:57,549
you do you're convinced he was of course

962
00:39:02,490 --> 00:38:59,890
referring to the Wakefield documentary

963
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:02,500
that appears to be from the reviews a

964
00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:07,130
full anti facts bingo card in itself

965
00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:09,500
next up we have a couple of vaccine

966
00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:12,220
injured bingos a toxin bingo to

967
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:14,660
bypassing the body's natural defenses

968
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:17,990
bingos another package insert bingo to

969
00:39:23,740 --> 00:39:20,810
mercury bingos a Nuremberg code bingo

970
00:39:26,650 --> 00:39:23,750
two more herd immunity is a myth bingos

971
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:26,660
and aluminium bingo a formaldehyde bingo

972
00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:29,810
and aborted fetal cells bingo a fascist

973
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:33,230
regime bingo a follow the herd bingo the

974
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:35,630
discrimination bingo as a result of no

975
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:38,420
job no pay legislation the ingestion

976
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:42,800
versus injection bingo to msg bingos the

977
00:39:48,130 --> 00:39:45,710
Paul offered 10,000 vaccines bingo the

978
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:48,140
forced vaccination bingo and a couple

979
00:39:54,820 --> 00:39:51,730
more mortality vs. morbidity bingos

980
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,830
other quotes by rebel rouser shouting

981
00:39:59,740 --> 00:39:56,960
out included how many others have to

982
00:40:02,770 --> 00:39:59,750
suffer while we wait and tell that to

983
00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:02,780
the vaccine injured and we're not going

984
00:40:07,690 --> 00:40:05,150
away guys get used to it we're going to

985
00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:07,700
be everywhere and mercury is a

986
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,000
neurotoxin and how about you all inject

987
00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:14,000
yourselves with a bunch of mercury we're

988
00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:15,950
not going away guys get used to it no

989
00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:18,280
we're going to be everywhere we are

990
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:20,300
everywhere you said you feel very

991
00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:22,930
strongly so we good and is not just me

992
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:27,260
millions billions next up we had an

993
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:29,930
audience member say that his 14 month

994
00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:32,960
old had a febrile convulsion after a flu

995
00:40:39,310 --> 00:40:36,230
vaccine and five years later was

996
00:40:41,350 --> 00:40:39,320
diagnosed with leukemia he wanted

997
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,360
answers as to why his beliefs had not

998
00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:45,040
been validated by the medical community

999
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:48,140
two days after the seminar the West

1000
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:49,970
Australian news published an article

1001
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:54,160
titled anti-vaccination activists crash

1002
00:41:01,840 --> 00:40:57,920
immunization seminar by Kathy O'Leary

1003
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:01,850
their medical editor quote a public

1004
00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:04,010
seminar on immunization in Perth was

1005
00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:06,200
forced to close early on monday night

1006
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:08,900
after anti-vaccination activists

1007
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:11,480
hijacked the event and called doctors

1008
00:41:16,930 --> 00:41:14,690
liars organizers of the telethon kids

1009
00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:16,940
Institute event had to stop a

1010
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:19,100
question-and-answer session after

1011
00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:20,750
constant interruptions by the

1012
00:41:25,870 --> 00:41:23,390
protesters the seminar was meant to give

1013
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:25,880
people particularly new parents a safe

1014
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:28,250
forum to ask questions about vaccines

1015
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:30,440
but a few people in the crowd of about

1016
00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:34,400
150 interjected as Institute Director

1017
00:41:39,490 --> 00:41:37,220
Jonathan Kara Pettis and infectious

1018
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:39,500
diseases experts attempted to answer

1019
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:43,250
questions from the floor professor Cara

1020
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,250
Peter said yesterday he was shocked and

1021
00:41:50,910 --> 00:41:48,800
disappointed by their behavior which he

1022
00:41:56,830 --> 00:41:50,920
described as disrespectful and

1023
00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:56,840
intimidating it's injected how his food

1024
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:00,380
got any relativity to this at all how

1025
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:01,850
about you inject yourself with a bunch

1026
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:04,690
of mercury my how would you like it

1027
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:07,370
10,000 vaccines dr. Paul offer reckons

1028
00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:08,690
assay for any child why don't you all

1029
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:12,590
take 10,000 vaccines right now we knew

1030
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:13,730
there would be people from the

1031
00:42:17,980 --> 00:42:15,770
anti-vaccine lobby because we've had

1032
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:17,990
them before but this was a very

1033
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:20,390
orchestrated way for them to completely

1034
00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:23,450
disrupt the meeting he said we wanted to

1035
00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:25,070
be able to put up the evidence and

1036
00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:27,350
answer people's questions honestly but

1037
00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:29,870
we didn't get a chance these people

1038
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:31,790
represent a tiny proportion of the

1039
00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:34,520
population who are anti-vaccine but they

1040
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:36,680
use any public forum to push their

1041
00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:40,450
message and drown out everyone else

1042
00:42:45,790 --> 00:42:43,340
professor Kara Peters said only two

1043
00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:45,800
people had the chance to ask legitimate

1044
00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:47,870
questions and everything else was

1045
00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:50,600
drowned out we went on for as long as we

1046
00:42:54,850 --> 00:42:52,340
could which was about half an hour of

1047
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:54,860
them yelling and screaming but speakers

1048
00:43:00,160 --> 00:42:57,710
were paid such disrespect and everyone

1049
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:00,170
else in the audience was intimidated he

1050
00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:03,350
said we had a school group of about 15

1051
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,750
or 20 kids in the audience who are

1052
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:08,000
studying infectious diseases and they

1053
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:11,060
said they were intimidated professor

1054
00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:13,490
Cara Peter said he was devastated that

1055
00:43:18,970 --> 00:43:16,190
one protester misused comments by

1056
00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:18,980
professor Fiona Stanley the Institute's

1057
00:43:24,850 --> 00:43:21,740
former director to try to support an

1058
00:43:28,810 --> 00:43:24,860
anti-vaccine stance one of the main

1059
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:28,820
protesters Sean do who filmed the Q&A

1060
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:31,910
session as he heckled the speakers said

1061
00:43:38,110 --> 00:43:34,370
he wanted the world to wake up

1062
00:43:40,810 --> 00:43:38,120
about vaccines professor Cara Peter said

1063
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,820
the Institute would rethink about future

1064
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:43,520
events but would not stop providing

1065
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:46,430
honest information to the public they

1066
00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:48,950
want us to go back into our shells he

1067
00:43:55,930 --> 00:43:52,280
said and that definitely won't happen

1068
00:43:57,610 --> 00:43:55,940
end quote we're gonna have trouble

1069
00:43:59,650 --> 00:43:57,620
getting where people where are the

1070
00:44:01,540 --> 00:43:59,660
long-term studies my suggestion is that

1071
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,550
we look in the camera where the

1072
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:03,920
long-term studies guys with look at look

1073
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:05,450
at the camera where are the long-term

1074
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:07,310
studies will hang around can hear me so

1075
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:08,480
we're happy puter where are the

1076
00:44:11,770 --> 00:44:10,280
long-term studies and ask those

1077
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:11,780
questions where are they I'm done

1078
00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:13,970
rabble-rouser then approached the stage

1079
00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:17,150
when the event was shut down asking for

1080
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,460
the names of each of the panelists with

1081
00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:22,160
his camera in their faces demanding they

1082
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:25,100
say something about the CDC

1083
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:28,910
whistleblower bingo again how do you

1084
00:44:32,110 --> 00:44:30,380
guys got anything you guys got anything

1085
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:32,120
to say

1086
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:34,370
I have you feel very important sorry

1087
00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:38,210
have you got anything to say we got guys

1088
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:39,470
have we got anything to say for the

1089
00:44:43,330 --> 00:44:41,560
vaccine for Australia up in New Zealand

1090
00:44:46,090 --> 00:44:43,340
have you got anything to know that

1091
00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:46,100
vaccines have saved more lives than any

1092
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:47,720
other medical yeah what's your name oh

1093
00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:49,970
so you can carry Jonathan kara Peters

1094
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:52,760
what's your name doctor told you before

1095
00:44:59,290 --> 00:44:55,130
it's Johnson time okay thanks I am

1096
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,300
what's your name side Ashley Oh Bolton

1097
00:45:02,350 --> 00:45:01,040
is it thanks for Sam have you got

1098
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:02,360
anything to say to the vax team in

1099
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:04,310
Australia New Zealand at the CDC we

1100
00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:09,110
supply or anything like that at around

1101
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:11,750
the 30 minute 50 second mark of the

1102
00:45:16,690 --> 00:45:14,450
recording rebel rouser approaches Judy

1103
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,700
Wiley Minh and along with another few

1104
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:19,280
anti-vaxxers have a lovely time being

1105
00:45:24,370 --> 00:45:22,700
self congratulatory i guess if one were

1106
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:24,380
to really look for a silver lining to

1107
00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:27,320
this debacle we could say that once

1108
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:29,840
again this crowd has shown themselves to

1109
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:33,290
be rude and disrespectful clearly unable

1110
00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:35,770
to listen to reason and evidence and

1111
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:39,230
unable or unwilling to evaluate the

1112
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:41,330
science even when it is presented in a

1113
00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:45,170
clear and uncomplicated way this is

1114
00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:47,390
precisely why we should never debate

1115
00:45:52,510 --> 00:45:50,300
them to debate these people is to give

1116
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:52,520
them an air of legitimacy which they do

1117
00:45:59,770 --> 00:45:57,310
not deserve all opinions are not equal a

1118
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:59,780
pediatrician specializing in infectious

1119
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:02,240
disease should not lower him or herself

1120
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:04,550
to appear alongside a parent who has

1121
00:46:10,330 --> 00:46:08,630
done their own research I'm sure the

1122
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:10,340
organizers of the telethon were not

1123
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,170
prepared for the scene that confronted

1124
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:14,240
them although they had been warned that

1125
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:16,370
the rebel rousers were going to show up

1126
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:19,220
these anti vex people are certainly free

1127
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:21,410
to say whatever they wish but they are

1128
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:24,050
not immune pardon the pun from being

1129
00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:27,110
called out on it criticized and refused

1130
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,150
a platform at venues for their misguided

1131
00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:31,520
beliefs in the face of all the evidence

1132
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:33,260
that shows that vaccinations are

1133
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,000
overwhelmingly safe and effective that's

1134
00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:40,400
all from me for this week this has been

1135
00:46:46,270 --> 00:46:42,950
Heidi Robertson from the northern

1136
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:46,280
rivers vaccination supporters you can

1137
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:49,609
find us on Facebook Twitter our website

1138
00:47:11,079 --> 00:46:54,770
and rvs info and on Wikipedia thanks

1139
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:11,089
until next time Australian skeptics

1140
00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:14,329
National Convention 2016 will be hosted

1141
00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:16,460
in Melbourne at the university of

1142
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:19,460
melbourne from the 25th to the 27th of

1143
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,890
november with the annual dinner being

1144
00:47:28,450 --> 00:47:24,079
held at melbourne zoo on the evening of

1145
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:28,460
the 26th of November early bird ticket

1146
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:31,250
sales are online at the convention

1147
00:47:37,660 --> 00:47:35,570
website convention skeptics comdata you

1148
00:47:40,210 --> 00:47:37,670
and if you get an early bird ticket

1149
00:47:44,380 --> 00:47:40,220
you'll receive a discount and be able to

1150
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:44,390
reserve seats close to the stage we can

1151
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:45,950
confirm that speakers for the convention

1152
00:47:52,059 --> 00:47:48,890
will include Lawrence Krauss Ed's odd

1153
00:47:55,690 --> 00:47:52,069
Ernst Harriet Hall Michael Marshall

1154
00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:55,700
Katie Mac and Mel Thompson with many

1155
00:48:02,559 --> 00:47:59,530
more great speakers to be announced soon

1156
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:02,569
nicholas j johnson is our emcee for the

1157
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:05,270
annual dinner information about our

1158
00:48:09,819 --> 00:48:07,250
speakers is available from the

1159
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:09,829
convention website so that's convention

1160
00:48:31,710 --> 00:48:29,550
skeptics in the pub here in Sydney we

1161
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,720
can always be guaranteed of a fun

1162
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:33,760
evening the folks are rolling in I can

1163
00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:35,530
see the beers being drunk and there's a

1164
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:37,150
steak and some fish and chips being

1165
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:41,140
consumed over there hello Trisha no it's

1166
00:48:45,630 --> 00:48:43,000
nice to see you back here at skeptics in

1167
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:45,640
the pub get to be half now we were just

1168
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:47,050
before i switched on the microphone

1169
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:50,290
talking about naughty aliens which sort

1170
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:53,110
of relates to as listeners know I was

1171
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:54,610
recently me and may not went to be a

1172
00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:56,260
paranormal convention we had all about

1173
00:49:00,420 --> 00:48:58,150
that aliens doing all sorts of horrible

1174
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:00,430
things which meeting with humans are

1175
00:49:07,110 --> 00:49:03,820
here breeding with humans I wonder if

1176
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:07,120
they breed with other animals well like

1177
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:13,210
caterpillars or snakes or yeah but my my

1178
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:16,530
question to you is would you be

1179
00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:19,390
concerned if the government tomorrow

1180
00:49:24,210 --> 00:49:22,390
said you know we've had reports and you

1181
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:24,220
really have had a message from an alien

1182
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:26,650
intelligence but he loved it oh now be

1183
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:28,750
awesome the technology we could use yeah

1184
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:29,920
the fact that we could reach out to

1185
00:49:34,110 --> 00:49:32,020
another planet that'd be fantastic quite

1186
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,120
frankly I'm I'm not gonna phobic in any

1187
00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:35,920
way not just about people on this planet

1188
00:49:38,670 --> 00:49:37,360
will people be on this planet and you

1189
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,680
know what if they've been hiding amongst

1190
00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:40,000
us all along they were doing a bloody

1191
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:43,300
good job I have you know you might be

1192
00:49:48,510 --> 00:49:45,880
one and I'd never know don't insinuate

1193
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:48,520
things like that no I don't think I

1194
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:52,330
don't think so so yeah I guess I think

1195
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:54,070
that'd probably be in the same boat as

1196
00:49:59,160 --> 00:49:57,010
you at BM would be an interesting event

1197
00:50:00,780 --> 00:49:59,170
and maybe would be literally in the same

1198
00:50:02,730 --> 00:50:00,790
boat if they came to invade and we had

1199
00:50:05,130 --> 00:50:02,740
to escape right I wouldn't have thought

1200
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:05,140
they'd need boats if it may be you know

1201
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:06,550
water might not be something that they'd

1202
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:08,350
be too keen on they're probably more

1203
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:11,830
into air travel rather than unless

1204
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:13,870
they're those underwater aliens well

1205
00:50:16,290 --> 00:50:15,370
this is the thing so you know we say

1206
00:50:18,330 --> 00:50:16,300
that we don't know very much about

1207
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:18,340
what's in our oceans aliens could very

1208
00:50:20,539 --> 00:50:19,990
well have gone in there thousands and

1209
00:50:22,279 --> 00:50:20,549
millions

1210
00:50:25,249 --> 00:50:22,289
years ago and started colonizing we'd

1211
00:50:27,739 --> 00:50:25,259
never be never be the wiser whoo now

1212
00:50:30,049 --> 00:50:27,749
there's a scary thought folks as you're

1213
00:50:32,209 --> 00:50:30,059
going to sleep tonight think of the

1214
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:32,219
depth of the ocean crawling little

1215
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,569
aliens thousands of years ago I guess

1216
00:50:44,419 --> 00:50:37,920
scared enough what I'm swinging up some

1217
00:50:46,339 --> 00:50:44,429
milk upon die anyway thanks Trish d

1218
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:46,349
mendham the editor of the skeptic

1219
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,099
magazine the Journal of reason and was

1220
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:52,619
it science and society order would stood

1221
00:50:56,839 --> 00:50:54,420
the company I thought it was sex and

1222
00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:56,849
violence the magazine of sex and

1223
00:51:01,849 --> 00:50:59,099
violence is skeptic here's tonight's

1224
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,859
question would you be thrilled or

1225
00:51:05,169 --> 00:51:03,839
concerned if the government announced

1226
00:51:07,669 --> 00:51:05,179
that they'd made contact with

1227
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:07,679
extraterrestrial I'd love it a which

1228
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,660
government we're talking about that's a

1229
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:11,339
good question the alien governments is a

1230
00:51:15,289 --> 00:51:13,319
north korean cafe i would might take it

1231
00:51:17,299 --> 00:51:15,299
with a pinch of salt Maxie but if you

1232
00:51:19,579 --> 00:51:17,309
contact an alien second no actual they

1233
00:51:22,249 --> 00:51:19,589
contacted us or do we contact them let's

1234
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:22,259
say that we received a message from the

1235
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:23,849
heavens saying you are not alone

1236
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:26,579
something like that yes I love it can we

1237
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:29,160
go there we go where wherever they are I

1238
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,599
think it'd be fantastic I'd love it yeah

1239
00:51:33,919 --> 00:51:32,640
be nice to meet aliens actually probably

1240
00:51:36,769 --> 00:51:33,929
more interesting i bet i met everyone

1241
00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:36,779
else so be nice to meet an alien yeah i

1242
00:51:40,669 --> 00:51:38,939
think we'd report that on the pages of

1243
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,679
the skeptic we might you know we might

1244
00:51:43,819 --> 00:51:42,119
just mention that in the skeptic that

1245
00:51:46,579 --> 00:51:43,829
this has happened speaking of the

1246
00:51:48,979 --> 00:51:46,589
skeptic magazine what's coming up in the

1247
00:51:51,919 --> 00:51:48,989
next issue next issue is going to press

1248
00:51:55,009 --> 00:51:51,929
very very soon and the main feature in

1249
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,019
that is consumer protection hmmm ya know

1250
00:51:59,299 --> 00:51:56,880
it's a big issue actually people have

1251
00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:59,309
often regarded or you know described the

1252
00:52:03,009 --> 00:52:01,170
skeptics as the the choice of the

1253
00:52:05,689 --> 00:52:03,019
paranormal now for those people

1254
00:52:07,489 --> 00:52:05,699
international people who may not know

1255
00:52:08,989 --> 00:52:07,499
although you should by listening to the

1256
00:52:11,029 --> 00:52:08,999
skeptics own choices the name of our

1257
00:52:12,739 --> 00:52:11,039
consumer affairs magazine that's right

1258
00:52:15,739 --> 00:52:12,749
so we have actually featured them as you

1259
00:52:17,299 --> 00:52:15,749
had done in the skeptic zone in this

1260
00:52:19,429 --> 00:52:17,309
particular issue and of course we can

1261
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:19,439
regard them as the the skeptics of the

1262
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:21,730
washing machines yes

1263
00:52:26,049 --> 00:52:23,569
but that's that's just one of the

1264
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:26,059
articles we go to having in this this

1265
00:52:29,049 --> 00:52:27,260
feature because some other ones looking

1266
00:52:30,970 --> 00:52:29,059
at a whole range of scams and what they

1267
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:30,980
are and what to do about them some

1268
00:52:36,099 --> 00:52:34,400
advice largely from the the scam watch

1269
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:36,109
which is the body that's put out by the

1270
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:40,010
Australian good love H Triple C optical

1271
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:41,569
yeah yes go and watch I give their

1272
00:52:44,859 --> 00:52:43,849
emails to ya no no it sort of very good

1273
00:52:46,660 --> 00:52:44,869
very good advice AC and they've

1274
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:46,670
definitely down the paranormal and all

1275
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:48,290
these of the cons everything from

1276
00:52:52,329 --> 00:52:51,140
nigerian love letters to miracle cures

1277
00:52:55,089 --> 00:52:52,339
and everything in fact i got an email

1278
00:52:59,289 --> 00:52:55,099
from scam watch just today to advise me

1279
00:53:01,720 --> 00:52:59,299
to be on lookout for fake gift vouchers

1280
00:53:03,609 --> 00:53:01,730
and things like this Thank You fetches I

1281
00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:03,619
can tell you the real ones you got to be

1282
00:53:06,730 --> 00:53:05,240
look on the lookout for hundreds of

1283
00:53:08,049 --> 00:53:06,740
those actually fake gift vouchers it's

1284
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,059
really annoying a part of the fact i

1285
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:09,920
have these very kind people offering to

1286
00:53:15,370 --> 00:53:12,710
fix up our website all the time no yeah

1287
00:53:17,530 --> 00:53:15,380
yeah yeah so I mean sort of I get four

1288
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:17,540
or five Thursday people saying I looked

1289
00:53:20,589 --> 00:53:18,650
at your website I know you're not

1290
00:53:23,140 --> 00:53:20,599
getting sort of top ranking in Google

1291
00:53:25,930 --> 00:53:23,150
yeah I'd say I'd like to reap on respond

1292
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:25,940
and say yes we are but I don't respond

1293
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:27,260
to them next you can just have to delete

1294
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:30,079
them constantly into big back Andy and

1295
00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:31,250
the gift vouchers all the time from

1296
00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:34,670
supermarkets wine companies hardware

1297
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:36,500
companies you name it i give so many

1298
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,730
gift vouchers i wouldn't have to buy

1299
00:53:41,950 --> 00:53:39,680
anything anymore come out and visit and

1300
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:41,960
collect a few now we're just making room

1301
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:43,790
at the table tonight's featured speakers

1302
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:46,400
dr. brad filling in at the last moment

1303
00:53:50,109 --> 00:53:48,440
for Ian Bryce who was going to talk

1304
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:50,119
about gravitational waves but I think he

1305
00:53:55,859 --> 00:53:54,319
fell down a black hole ah thank you

1306
00:53:57,870 --> 00:53:55,869
thank you for a long

1307
00:53:58,920 --> 00:53:57,880
and what Brad would just talk about

1308
00:54:02,099 --> 00:53:58,930
something completely different about

1309
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:02,109
aliens and that sort of stuff and the

1310
00:54:05,819 --> 00:54:04,150
question is how would you react if

1311
00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:05,829
tomorrow the government turned around

1312
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:07,720
and said we received a message from the

1313
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:09,430
heavens that we think is from an

1314
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,130
extraterrestrial source I think I

1315
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:14,319
probably wouldn't trust it initially I

1316
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:19,930
skeptic at last as we yeah so I remember

1317
00:54:25,859 --> 00:54:23,170
there was it contact the movie when they

1318
00:54:28,529 --> 00:54:25,869
had like the the president announcing

1319
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,539
that aliens had come to the boy had had

1320
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:30,400
signaled the planet and then it was all

1321
00:54:33,809 --> 00:54:32,470
computer-generated and so everybody was

1322
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:33,819
worried that everybody would actually

1323
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:35,529
believe that the president of the united

1324
00:54:39,930 --> 00:54:38,410
states have actually announced that but

1325
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:39,940
i think it only has to be twenty percent

1326
00:54:43,859 --> 00:54:41,470
different or something to be to get away

1327
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:43,869
with it with a computer animation so a

1328
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:46,990
few less gray hairs maybe that's good

1329
00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:52,799
someone's going to tell me you very soon

1330
00:54:57,150 --> 00:54:54,900
that there's no Santa Claus you know

1331
00:54:59,819 --> 00:54:57,160
we're not gonna educate their kids

1332
00:55:01,739 --> 00:54:59,829
around yes well that's interesting

1333
00:55:02,849 --> 00:55:01,749
that's a good take bread actually all

1334
00:55:04,289 --> 00:55:02,859
right now let's take that one step

1335
00:55:07,319 --> 00:55:04,299
further and say it was actually

1336
00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:07,329
confirmed it was confirmed and it wasn't

1337
00:55:12,569 --> 00:55:09,940
computer-generated what would your

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thoughts be then I just be thinking are

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they friend or foe are they going to

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come and kill us or or are they actually

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going to be like furry and fluffy so yep

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so I can have one as a pet well Trish

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over here reckons are going to be living

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under the sea and we can ride them like

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sea horses or something like that you as

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a pet I look very good in a cage I can

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three

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syst you met

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SI esta simple idiot hey Sal you guys

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guys I just had the most amazing

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experience what experience unders unders

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have you been to the pub I told you not

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to hang out with mash you know he was

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blessed by peter Popoff no yellin i'm

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not talking about psychics it was a

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really SP experience now you have been

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00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:16,630
to the pub either that or you've been

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smoking something no pointers the ESB is

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00:56:24,030 --> 00:56:21,940
the European skeptics podcast it's the

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most amazing thing you get to know so

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much about skeptics and their activities

1362
00:56:31,140 --> 00:56:29,050
across Europe you know events hot topics

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and interviews with lots of interesting

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people oh wow cool by the way pointers

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you just get me to the false dichotomy

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fallacy I guess that means I'm really

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wrong yep and you can even learn about

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00:56:44,850 --> 00:56:42,400
those fallacies in the show and hear

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00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:44,860
about people spreading silly ideas you

1370
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:47,140
should really check it out it's the ESP

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the European skeptics podcast its own

1372
00:56:55,140 --> 00:56:52,840
never weak alright so where can I get

1373
00:56:57,810 --> 00:56:55,150
this is the experience it sounds good

1374
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:57,820
you can go online at the ESP do to you

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00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:00,880
follow it on twitter at es podcast

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00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:03,940
underscore EU or like the podcast on

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00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:40,180
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